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      <div class="comment-content"><p>最近在玩<a href="https://2dfan.com/tags/m-m-1">M&amp;M</a>画的游戏，这作单独和前作比各个地方都是升级的，前作的系统已经不是简单可以形容的了。但是这么多女主，也着实导致了塑造的薄弱，可能是容量问题，很多角色的转变过于简单了。加上游戏中期开始战斗重复性挺高的，很多女主还需要特殊的条件，整体游玩体验是逐渐下降的。</p>
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      <div class="comment-content"><p>实用性很高，女角人数众多。但h回想的数量却没有相应缩水。而且主角都是魔王了，也无所谓牛不牛了……只有魔王觉得爽干什么都行。</p>
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      <div class="comment-content"><p>宇航员社卖的最好的一作，唯一一作出dlc的。但本人不是不喜欢该作:</p>

<p>剧情方面种族平等纯纯是制作组给自己挖坑，导致剧情推动得靠编剧的大手；</p>

<p>女角数量相当夸张，但代价呢？个人剧情更加淡薄，个人cg数大幅缩水（砍了魔王1和七人魔女内外射差分，2个姿势的hs从4个缩水到2个）</p>

<p>流程相当繁琐，玩的后期很累，不知道是不是受到魔王1太简单的反馈？但本身游戏深度不足，不耐玩，后期机械作业感强，能理解制作组【玩的越久越值的想法】，但。</p>

<p>该作属于是宇航员社鼎盛时期，其实我更希望当年宇航员社走精简女角数，打磨剧情和系统的精品之路。我是觉得宇航员社对剧情和角色塑造有一定追求的，但年货发行策略+堆角色数【两大利好】加持下想做好太难了</p>
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      <div class="comment-content"><p>这一代实用性和hs数量质量真的太顶了，但是游戏难度和复杂程度太夸张了，不懂日语的话用翻译器和机翻也玩不明白，希望有朝一日出现大佬能像背德之都那样做个全面汉化版的</p>
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          <span class="comment-author-name">闪电战！</span>
          
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      <div class="comment-content"><p>断断续续终于在最近把这个游戏打完了，不得不吐槽一下。1.流程过长，一开始我是被M&amp;M老师精美的画风及塔防的游戏性所吸引，在好不容易打通一周目后才发现真结局需要打通3周目，我心里当时是崩溃的，但好在后续发现了1.05补丁可以直接在2周目进入真结局线，可当我在2周目打通了冰火两国后，也就是游戏的150回合左右，我实在是绷不住了：这游戏流程实在是太长了！而且越玩到后面，你会发现所谓的游戏性会变成无聊的机械式操作，无非就是刷旧图、升级、打新图循环下去。我打了将近一个月才通关，这还是没打其他支线且用CE修改了资源的情况下。2.每个女主都像本子女主一样脑袋缺根弦，就只是被魔王C了一下就莫名其妙地死心塌地爱上了魔王，剧情上实在缺乏说服力与合理性。（我不认为“创建一个人魔平等共存的社会“能成为各个女主爱上男主的理由） 3.操控方式恶心，一不小心就容易把已经不好配置的部队移动到其他位置，且视角转换及其别扭，无论是在进攻还是防守地图视角都不能做到俯瞰全地图，所以每次视角都只能在多个部队之间来回切换</p>
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      <div class="comment-content"><p>这款游戏在玩过一代后就十分期待二代了，可惜二代虽然女性角色增多了，但是我喜欢的角色还没有一代多，且一些h剧情感觉还没有一代好看，再来居然还有一个男的XD(虽然长得很可爱角色也很有趣，但我实在接受不了，他的剧情我都快速略过)，外加上还有很多男主主动被NTR的剧情，总之在剧情上还瞒失望的，不过还是有喜欢的剧情，例如通常的冰之国及火之国的结局，主角打败敌国后当着敌国人的面XX女王的剧情，才像是魔王该有的行为吧，可惜进入真实路线后这两段剧情都没了。再来是战斗方面，防守战也比一代麻烦多了，最多四个迷宫加四个出入口，在习惯规则前还真不知道如何设置跟防守呢，幸亏有很多攻略网站能让我参考，但四个迷宫好像没什么意义，只是增加花钱的建设来延长我游戏的时间而已，接着是进攻的攻城战，变成像是我方侵入敌方迷宫的感觉，这点确实是增加游戏的耐玩性，也比较需要练一些特殊技能的怪物(例:拆陷阱、回复)但相对的要通关的时间也大大的增加了，对于懒惰想轻松玩游戏的我还是觉得偏烦😅</p>

<p>接下来是有关真实路线的感想，以下内容有剧透请自行回避</p>



<p>在魔王成功打败三个国家并征服三位女王后自然出现真正的敌人也就是天使，老实说感觉不意外，毕竟是魔族的敌对嘛，而天使要消灭魔族的理由也很老套，单方面认定魔族是邪恶的存在，并会威胁到天使所以要消灭他们，击败天使之后自然出现了要毁灭世界的混沌，再将混沌击败后就进入真实结局了，剧情发展并不意外，没什么特别亮眼的展开，因此我个人比较喜欢通常结局就是了。</p>

<p>在防守战方面觉得只有忍者屋和陷阱工房这两设施比较好用，在四个入口到王座的必经之路上，个别配置一个忍者屋和陷阱工房在加上几个陷阱，就能给敌人带来大量的伤害，也不用担心这两设施会被破坏，其他设施除了召唤魔物的设施都会被敌人破坏，刚开始玩时不知道敌人会破坏设施，把食料库、屠杀场和魔力炉建在入口附近，结果都被破坏了，亏了不少钱呢，另外四个迷宫的好处应该只有召唤出来的魔物能够通用而已，因此每个迷宫只须建立一种系列的魔物召唤所就够了，毕竟刚好只有四种系列吧(战鬼、死灵、恶魔、自然)。</p>

<p>在攻城战方面最主要是打下敌方王座内的全部敌人，并成功占领该区域使其成为我方据点就能获胜，其次是探索所有区域并拿到宝箱，毕竟探索区域关系到奖励的领取，有些宝箱都藏有贵重道具呢，攻城战好玩的地方就是可以尽情破坏敌方设施了，在等级练高后跑去打一些低等级的地方时，除了打败所有敌人外，还可把所有能破坏的设施、物品全部捣毁，看着光秃秃的空城还挺好玩的😂</p>
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      <div class="comment-content"><p>感觉二代魔王是比一代魔王像个人的，一代有的时候纯粹是恶趣味一定要在床上收服，至少前期是除了好色没啥大毛病的，虽然他确实也恶趣味但是一般情况下对床上床下要分开还是有点自知之明，收服妹子更多是靠场外收买人心，其实一二代有几处相似的收妹子剧情，二代做的都比一代通人情很多，不会逼得太紧，另外利兹贝尔比前代那俩女仆好很多，至少能张罗到大义，那俩虽然能理解但还是太极端了</p>
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      <span class="comment-diggs-label">赞</span>
    </span>



  <details class="comment-overflow">
    <summary class="comment-overflow-toggle" title="更多操作" aria-label="更多操作">&#8943;</summary>
    <div class="comment-overflow-menu">
      <button type="button"
              class="comment-overflow-item comment-share-btn"
              data-share-url="https://fan2d.top/nexus/comments/316031">分享</button>


    </div>
  </details>
</div>

</div>


  </template>
</turbo-stream>

<turbo-stream action="replace" target="load-more-container">
  <template>
      <div id="load-more-container" class="load-more-container">
        <a id="load-more-link" class="load-more-btn" data-turbo-stream="true" data-infinite-scroll-next="true" href="/nexus/subjects/2384/comments?page=2">
          <span data-infinite-scroll-text>加载更早的评论</span>
          <span data-infinite-scroll-spinner hidden class="loading-spinner"></span>
</a>      </div>
  </template>
</turbo-stream>
